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It was parietal bone." https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1981/12/05/rita-merthan-dies/34af44f0-e18d-4c78-a298-28ead03e5a8c/ However, you refuse to answer any of the questions put forth by people who know far more than you do about the assassination. Immediately afterward UPI quoted him saying “there was an entrance wound below the Adam’s apple.” That direct quote was widely carried by the media and reached an immense audience, according to Lifton. Perry told the House Select Committee on Assassinations"...the 1994) 311.]. Q. That’s fine. There are? In the first place, Jackie chose to have the autopsy done at Bethesda because Jack was a Navy man. As an anesthetist, Dr. Giesecke As if the answer weren’t obvious to EVERYONE who follows you/this. Yes we do know why he didn’t. that entered the President’s body? Despite Dr. McClelland and a fellow doctor “massaging his heart” for “20 to 25 minutes” in an effort to revive him, JFK’s assassin flat-lined. Dr. Perry’s actual statements contradict the Warren Commission’s allegations that he was misreported. Regardless, he also confirms it is an “exact copy” of the one he made for Tink. While a compelling case for family interference is difficult to sustain, a case can be made that there was at least some interference in JFK’s autopsy. He just doesn’t want to say. of Rowley’s assertion in a letter to the WC that no trancsript could be located by the Secret Service, despite the evidence later presented by the ARRB that Site © Jeff Morley and Rex Bradford. The only notation claiming that is a single unreferenced sentence in known CTer Bradlee’s article linking him with Grossman. JFK and the Doctors at Parkland The only person I ever met with a connection to the JFK assassination was Dr. David Stewart who was a resident surgeon at Parkland Hospital on Nov. 22, 1963 when they brought Kennedy in. Wecht didn’t limit his attacks on the Commission to newspapers, but carried it into medical periodicals. Here’s the account from The Intercept: https://theintercept.com/2016/05/20/pentagon-official-once-told-morley-safer-that-reporters-who-believe-the-government-are-stupid/. According The HSCA found that, though a complete autopsy had been authorized, JFK got an incomplete one instead. I remained with the President’s body in the treatment room until the body was placed in the coffin and I saw it closed. But he also claimed (sincerely and credibly) to be representing the wishes of “the family.”. "[ 4. Curtis probably knew later that they didn’t dissect those wounds at the autopsy. “Yes. This statement is especially revealing, To paraphrase Dr. Aguilar “You can’t make this sh_t up” As Dr. McClelland proves you most certainly can-and CTers have swallowed it hook,line and sinker for forty years. Warren Commission Exhibit 392: in R, Appendix VIII "Medical The testimony of fifteen to sixteen expert witnesses–close-up, to the President of the United States, who has just been shot–vs. https://i1.wp.com/mcadams.posc.mu.edu/xray/entrance/13cm.jpg. \\][//. Exactly. Yes, an autopsy photo none of the rest of us have seen – one of the “flap” covering the exit wound in the rear of the head being lifted to reveal that wound. THE ORGANS OF THE NECK WERE NOT REMOVED: THE PRESIDENT’S FAMILY INSISTED TO HAVE ONLY THE HEAD EXAMINED Later, the permission was extended to the CHEST. USAAF (ret.) Sometimes, the primary sources justify a conclusion. The tracheostomy did not obliterate the throat wound but was merely extended. \\][//, From https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/vPIVOeRjX4g. Nevertheless, by omitting much of what I wrote, McAdams has placed himself squarely among “advocates (who) selectively present information that serves their purposes.”, The professor can’t sustain an honest, factual argument, so he selectively quotes me and the testimony, then slams me for being selective! You, Jean and Photon can point to testimony that the family was calling the shots while others can point to testimony (sometimes from the same person such as the case of Finck) that says generals were in charge. Frederick, Maryland, 1975, p. 525 about the autopsy material. 8. It’s been said before, I believe by Dr. Wecht, that the new government or the military could’ve summoned the top forensic pathologists of the nation, who were nearby, such as Dr. Milton Helpern, but they never suggested or advised it. This aside from the fact the vast majority of wounds he would have seen were from handguns, and not high powered rifles. “I have a JFK assassination eye witness story that you’ll find interesting. Your online handle’s lack of verifiable credentials does not justify your condescending tone. “They” shoot JFK from opposite directions yet both weapons are too puny to pass through his body. This is the X-ray being discussed – NOTE the clearly missing frontal bone in this X-ray. I’m sure there were textbooks, like Milton Hepburn’s definitive work,Legal Medicine, Pathology and Toxicology (1954), and other standards of practice that preceded said document. “It should have, and we know why he didn’t. Yes, it always comes to this. Rita Regina Merthan, 50, the personal secretary to first lady Rosalynn Carter from 1977 to 1981…. I left a blank line between each person & question the Warren Commission could/should have asked – it appears long-winded but there are a number of posts under this topic that have more words than mine – let me know. I didn’t – wouldn’t have the habit of destroying something someone else prepared.”. Regardless if it was an Army General or not, there’s no way Finck would forget that it was Humes. I didn’t speculate that I may be wrong. QED. Do we not have the original x-rays (unenhanced), and do they show the thinner bone? …In the transcript of that news conference there’s no doubt that Dr. Perry made it sound. “Even Cyril Wecht (who saw them early on) admitted they showed no evidence of a shot from the front.”~McAdams. What are the legal ramifications of one physician destroying another physician’s notes without that physician’s knowledge? Mr. Oser: “You have said they did not. At least one of the reasons Humes did not perform one may have been revealed in a memorandum from, of all places, CBS. How many autopsies were conducted by multiple prosectors completing multiple worksheets ? In the Parkland Emergency Room, Kennedy was likewise lying face up as the doctors efficiently, but hopelessly, went through the routine of trying to save his life. . Humes: It was decided that three people couldn’t write the report simultaneously, so I assumed the responsibility for writing the report, which I began about 11 o’clock in the evening of Saturday November 23rd, having wrestled with it for four or five, six hours in the afternoon, and worked on it until 3 or 4 o’clock in the morning of Sunday, the 24th.”, “Mr. I guess he doesn’t . "[ 3. he told Dr. Foster that he buried the bone in his backyard. Posner 311.]. The Warren Commission did not “investigate”, CBS did not “report”. Humes was a liar, proven by contradictory evidence UNDER OATH from several hearings. enters into it, but as far as the cause of death the immediate cause was II:125. Here’s the example you showcase in your book of my misrepresenting testimony, and it’s clear it’s you who are misrepresenting. People argue that if President Kennedy was shot from the grassy knoll, the left side of his head would have been blown out, and not the right, because the entry of the bullet would have come from the right hand side where the knoll is located. Obviously several of the doctors present got their perceptions of the wounds not from what they personally saw but from the observations of others. I don’t remember ever rejecting a post of yours (although if you insulted somebody, I might have rejected that post). And in his 1965 Blumberg memo, Finck said he was denied JFK’s clothes.’. That said, I dont believe he was part of any conspiracy. Of course, when NOVA showed four Dallas doctors the complete set of photos, they said they corresponded with what they had seen in the ER: The ARRB’s Gunn interviewed neurosurgeon Robert Grossman, MD on March 21, 1997, reporting, “[Grossman]. Dennis Breo. “In November of 2013 Dr. Don Curtis spoke at The Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum in Canyon, Texas about his assisting in the emergency room at Parkland when Kennedy was brought in. It would be two months before Travell introduced him to Kennedy. Burkley claimed he “supervised” the autopsy. But did ” fifteen or sixteen expert witnesses” actually examine the patient? No it is not, Burkley is unequivocal that he was with the Bronze casket from Parkland to Bethesda and that it never left his sight. A. Now getting back to radiographs, why don’t you answer the question that Lawrence and I posed to you earlier (i.e., how radiographs might have confirmed a wound track through Kennedy’s torso, back in November 1963), as a result of this statement in your post of May 31st at 8:43 pm? Mantik is not a radiologist. What will Biden do about the last of the JFK files? : What?!?!? Why do you leave out that he supported the autopsy version of the wounds? ARRB depositions of Parkland witnesses, p. 30. Common sense if you ask me. You hit several bullseyes Willy! And we’re also asked to agree that they all made the same mistake: they mistook anterior-parietal for occipital, mistook cerebrum for cerebellum (including a neurosurgeon). “Now it’s too late to do what should have been done originally.”. I rechecked the vital signs of President Kennedy and there was no sign of life. "There was a large wound beginning Vice Admiral George G. Burkley (M.C.) He offered her the choice of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington or the navy’s hospital in Bethesda. Olsen: That is, when I say that, there is no such evidence, you are agreeing with me? And 202 is more than a second from 223, when the single bullet hit. Neither Specter nor his fact-checkers noticed it apparently. Thank you Dr. Aguilar for pointing out the inconsistencies in Hume’s testimony*. McA fails to admit that he falsely, hilariously, slammed me in his silly book for selectively citing Clint Hill in my 1994 witness compilation, which he cites. better source for a description of the wounds is It reported, “Dr. parietal region, is the way I remember it. Sarin gas to Saddam Hussein? I claim that it is the first.”. The part you quoted shows “the family” determining what could be done. We also now know that the Agency set up a process that could only have been designed to frustrate the ability of the committee in 1976-79 to obtain any information that might adversely affect the Agency. $200.oo says I haven’t, dotJohn. 392]. So you think the photos and x-rays are faked, right? Both cerebral and cerebrellar tissue was extruding from the wound.” Undated, typed noted. I didn’t want anything to remain that some squirrel would grab on and make whatever use that they might. “Nice of you to ignore a key point of Finck’s testimony. The problem is that you have been given a biased and selective account of those witnesses. Is that hard to understand? Dr Finck testified to that question at the Clay Shaw trial, they did not dissect the neck because flag officers in the gallery of the morgue instructed Humes not to. to Dr. Robert McClelland, "The Gerry: The radiology and photography personnel declared to the ARRB that there were multiple X-rays taken during the autopsy. Q. Ya can’t make this sh_t up! WC Volume 6 H 6. The answer I like to us is, “No thanks. Present on the mannequin is the jacket and shirt and tie. Dissection is rarely if ever necessary to establish a bullet’s track or its origin. Bradlee, Ben. Sure Dr Curtis understands the issues of the other wounds by now from other doctors that were there and the freely available information on the web. My Commission Expires April 20, 1980, http://www.jfklancer.com/burkleyhsca.html Bobby was not a medical person, and would not have imposed any specific limitations. The head wound he saw, not the other two. Warren Commission, House Select Commitee On Assassinations, Connally was hit by a different bullet just from looking at the Z film. I just looked into that wound for around three or four minutes before he was pronounced dead, so I have a very vivid impression of what the wound looked like in the back of his head. Maybe he didn’t know about a switch? But he has no courage. right side, not the back."[17. but there are a number of posts under this topic that have more words than mine – let me know. Humes’ being denied permission for these exams, as well as being directed to do an incomplete autopsy, suggests control of the autopsy did not rest with the physicians. Baldwin is from New Orleans and it would appear that his friend Core is also. ARRB interview with Dr. Robert G. Grossman, 3/21/97. Ramon, you’ll find no mention of what I presented above, on the Education Forum, JFK Debate, and, although I tried on deeppoliticsforum, DiEugenio certainly had no interest in discussing this. Without citation, this episode was also cited by Gus Russo in: Live by the Sword. Buffs always show people the digitally enhanced x-rays from the HSCA. Click on the cover image to buy it now. Milton Helpern didn’t believe that CE399 caused all of the wounds. I traveled from Andrew’s Air Force Base in the ambulance with the President’s body to the Bethesda Naval Hospital and accompanied the coffin to the autopsy laboratory and saw the body removed from the coffin and placed on the autopsy table. Nothing about some sinister conspiracy limiting the autopsy. Is your lack of courage that explains why you can’t just admit what “must” be true: that these doofuses didn’t know enough anatomy to know the difference between occiput and anterior parietal? J. Humes,” 11/24/63, and cosigned by George Burkley, MD. You are going to say that this happened after JFK, blah, blah, blah. F23.2 describe and document the track of wound He said he didn’t see wounds other than the head wound, however, he could’ve talked to Carrico and other doctors who saw all wounds in greater detail. If Humes destroyed Finck’s notes he is bad. Oh, I know. The context was Mexico City, and Shenon has apparently convinced Slawson that Oswald was with some Mexicans there. medical professionals so alter their testimony as to You blather on and on about your supposed “credentials,” when in fact you have NONE> You criticize Mr. Talbot’s book because he put Allen Dulles in the wrong place. Cronkite’s name appears at the bottom of the image above. : That’s different because the bloodied autopsy report and/or notes were never going to be in a lay person’s hands (like McClelland’s shirt)! “Some people claim that Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Grand juries consist of lay persons Photon. A This photograph, taken by Phil Willis at the same time as frame 202 of the Zapruder film, shows that the jacket was in its normal position less than half a second before Kennedy came into view from the sixth–floor window. ….She is survived by her husband, Lawrence M. Merthan,…her mother, Mary Chapowicki of Worcester; five sisters, Alice Chapowicki and Irene Paradis, both of Worcester, Lottie Dolan, of Orlando, Fla., Elizabeth Shedlick of Paris and Genevieve T. Giuffrida of Falls Church,…. *In: DiEugenio, James. F22.3 examine neck organs and airways. He won’t admit he believes the autopsy photos and x-rays are faked. That can happen, sure. So unless someone else in the military destroyed Finck’s notes, Humes, who, according to the records, took sole possession of all the notes, probably made an exception to his customary habit that night. If the pair indeed matches, the next step is to project the 2 isometric images unto a 3D model. I disagree, Gerry, because as usual in conspiracy scenarios the plotters show up wherever they’re needed to tamper with the evidence and yet they do incredibly stupid things. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/xray/entrance/pmlatovl.jpg. Thus, Humes admitted he’d destroyed “preliminary draft notes” that were written up while he worked at home drafting Kennedy’s autopsy report. G30.2 document chain of custody of all evidentiary items, http://www.mtf.org/pdf/name_standards_2006.pdf. It is utterly reprehensible and despicable but also a great compliment that they would consider my testimony that much of a threat” (ibid.). That inconsistency IS the problem. So if you want to argue sinister “military interference,” you have to make Burkley a conspirator. Preference is given to comments that include links to, or citations of, credible sources. In many cases these were to be found either in notes prepared on the day of the assassination, in Warren Commission testimony a few months later, or in press interviews in the mid 1960’s. 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